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question/discussion on Fourier uncertainty, time and equal temperament

Drew asked:
So would you say that time is the solution to the problem in our problem of equal temperament. Because the instrument cannot flux like a 3rd dimensional object that when folded makes a shape that cannot reconstruct the original object
Unlike the rhythms of nature, a force integrated in time whose ebb and flow create a single unbroken melody

Adam :

Time is 3-dimensional, just like space. Or more accurately: There are three scalar dimensions that in our realm of coordinate space, gets projected into 3 spatial dimensions, which reduce the 3 dimensional aspects of time into a scalar motion in space. That dimensional reduction hides the fact that time is not just what we measure in space. Though in deep listening and inward focus we can sense the reciprocal aspects of time that are fully experienced by beings native to the coordinate time realm (where space is scalar), what is often considered non-material or inner planes.

What that means for music is that what we call frequency is an averaging out of a multidimensional motion in time and space into a standard measurement in space: namely the arbitrary measurement of meters per second. Because of the Fourier uncertainty principle we know that it takes a certain amount of time to measure certain changes in time, yet it has been proven that humans, especially good musicians can beat the uncertainty principle. The ear can do its own Fourier transform and hear the pattern before the time has passed in space where they could hear the spatial separation by which our scale measures the difference. A tempered scale short circuits the whole listening process and merely makes each interval conform to a commutative mathematics, where it is fastened to a spatial distance and scalar time and is disconnected from the relative phase relations that we can experience in the subjective experience of time.

This is only an inherent limitation of fretted instruments that have to fix each note. Without that limitation we are free to judge each interval in a moving relative way which according to esoteric thinkers is vital for the music to have the effect of resonating into the infinite instead of merely getting trapped within the closed loop of the octave and even-numbered powers, which geometrically is correlated with fields of containment (cub/octa symmetry) and misses the projective geometry of the pent symmetry (dodeca/icosa). At least that is my idea of it now. I am not sure if I understood your question and less sure if I answered it, but it was seeming to suggest some of these ideas in an interesting way and I wanted to take a stab at it…..

Though I think since phase is relative to consciousness, and in some sense is consciousness as physicist Amit Goswami says, then even a tempered interval can have the same effect, since the mind makes the adjustments and can recreate the true interval. It is all about the listener. Great music will not resonate someone not really listening, and even tempered or uninspired music can trigger a reaction to a sensitive listener tuned to the possibilities, that is, tuned to the “phase” dimension. Also I would like to know more about what you meant concerning the instrument not being able to flux in 3d?
Drew: i don’t really know what you mean by phase
Adam:My use of the word phase and scalar is quite specific and I apologize for throwing so many technical terms at you. Basically I think of scalar dimensions as abstract correlations of pure magnitude, pure intervals if you will, without specific spatial or temporal coordinates. Phase is basically time, or perhaps more specifically, timing. And timing as I was saying is relative to consciousness, so in this sense time is always subjective even though it appears to us as scalar in this realm–which means in physics, it is just a magnitude, it has no direction in space. Time appears to pass as a constant but in the Reciprocal systems theory stuff I am most influenced by, the other dimensions of time influence and are involved in everything we do though we don’t see them. I don’t find it helpful to think of time as some 4th dimension. Thinking in these terms I believe clears up a lot of confusion that our spatially biased science has caused.
wouldn’t there be a coordinate in space/time for every “time” like a time machine except within a multiverse?
i understand that linear spacetime is an illusion but there is still a time and place for everything
i wouldn’t say it is an illusion, but space and time can be arranged differently which create whole different worlds of coordinate systems. In the scalar domain, there are no coordinates, just unity, just intensity, just ratios and cross ratios. Only when those ratios depart from unity do they experience differences like space/time which is vector motion or time/space which is energetic motion.
but yes in coordinate time where time/space, or “energy” can be experienced directly and space is scalar, then different times and possibilities are experienced in similar way that we experience space. beings can move around in time though they are somewhat limited in space as we are in time, though it all depends on the speed range